From: torpor_bound@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Pro/ani/obf deck
Date: 19 Jan 2001 00:00:00 GMT

In article <947drq$k8t$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  faustusjol@my-deja.com wrote:
> Okay, here's my Pro/Ani/Obf deck. Remember, the environment is 4CL, no
> deck size limit, and this deck is more for fun that effect (although
> it does reasonably well for both).

<snip deck>

Please don't take this the wrong way but ummm this deck would stink up
the house in my group (some of whom still play 4CL even tho I convinced
the group to not enforce this FINALLY!!) I have argued relentlessly in
favor of card limits in the past and this group shut them all down. I
got Pissy for a while then I tried NCL and Found they were right the
game flows much better this way and more decks are viable.

I know you have said that you prefer NCL but Play 4CL because of the
playgroup so I thought I'd share the argument that eventually got my
group to play by the official rules.

Magic needs a 4CL because some of the cards are overpowered and you only
have to beat 1 opponent. When they die you win. In tourny Jyhad you have
to take out up to 5 other people, the great combo that would oust
someone can only happen 4 times if your very very lucky. Take away luck
and you might get 1 VP if that, simply not enough to call a victory or
in some cases even advance at all. In Jyhad you have to deal with more
people therefore you need more copies of your key cards "just" to deal
with the additional opponents whatever strategy you choose to use.(not
counting S&B)

As a side not I will add that IMO 4CL'ers who convert are generaly
better at getting out of tight situations in a game than lifetime
NCL'ers because you spent so much time making do with what you have that
you have less of a all hope is lost because he(predator/prey)picked the
wrong deck and it hoses me attitude. as well as the fact that while
focused a converts deck usually IME has offshoot cards (Toolbox if you
will) That help them to weasle out of situations that the other players
simply did not expect to see after figuring out the focus of your deck.

Dont give up on this deck it needs serious adjustments no doubt but you
might make it into a killer if you weed down the cards and hopefully get
to face some skilled opponents (no offence but if this thing is winning
then you need good opponents more than you need NCL)

Ask Xian about the time he and (most of) the rest of the group said my
Toreador toolbox was the worst deck ever. we met, we played and I then
proceded to clear the table of very focused NCL decks with my sorry 4CL
toolbox....(hunting for another game with Xian)

Eric

"my theory hasn't changed just my card count"